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A police deciding to point his/her gun to a person who innocently sitting and looking around in the car without doing something so suspicious truly baffles me! I really like your story, thanks for sharing.
One time, a police stopped me and tried to communicate with me. I gestured to him that I'm deaf and he was so dumbfounded that he left without telling or giving me anything. Umm? Oh well.
-Noah
There is a law that police cannot shoot you without any danger weapon.
That would freak out anyone. Jeez!
Wow! I had one time problem with a police in Austin that he refused to communicate with me and decided to give me a ticket. Oh well.
Thanks for sharing with us!!
I was recently pulled over for speeding too. Heheh. The cop stayed in the cruiser for a while, so I figured he did not want to approach my car on the left side, as it was a busy freeway.
I opened my window and stuck my waving hand as I moved forward to the next exit ramp and parked on the shoulder. This time, he got out of his car and slammed the door, went behind his car and walked along the right side and he screamed in the right side window demanding that I move to the street at the end of the ramp. I immediately indicated that I was deaf, then drove to the street.
There, he again approached on the right side as he went through my registration and insurance. It was scary as I thought he thought I was ignoring him, and potentially putting him in danger.
This is all an awkward situation, both for the deaf driver and the police officer.
Yes, every time when a police cruiser is near me, my heart immediately starts to beat very hard. I always feel scared, I never know what to expect and how they would treat me. One time I got caught making an illegal turn, a police stopped me, I gestured to him that I was deaf, the police got very mad at me and insisted that I needed to show him something to prove that I was deaf. Of course, I became very nervous as I don't have anything to prove that I am deaf as I don't carry my audiogram or anything like that. So I wrote, "Please believe me, I am telling the truth, I am deaf and I am sorry I made a mistake." His response startled me! Know what he did, he hit his hand on top of my car and told me "GO AWAY NOW!!". Of course I was very scared and cried afterwards. I did not file a complaint and in hindsight I wished I had but at that time I was a newcomer to the state and so many things were happening that I didn't have the energy to go and talk to police or whatever. That is why I really would like for us to get a card to identify that we are deaf -- standardized or state issued card so that we are believed. I may get heat for it but it is a good way to save frustration and humiliation and other people who try to feign deafness cannot have this card.
wow, what a scary story!
It happened to me right on I-35 in Dallas, TX (south - not north like Noah's experience) in the year of 1986.. I was involved in 2 car/pickup truck accident.. I of course fainted.. Cop thought I was prentending but I was so lucky for I had my 2 hearing friends who drove behind me to tell "stupid" cop that I am deaf and about 30 min later interpreter was there to translate for me PHEW!!!
I think that NAD make a proposal to Congress and then all states propose to their state legislature to let deaf individual having card to identify we are deaf and need an interpreter to save our own lives and even time of trouble.. huh???
I don't know about other states but I've been pulled over here in California and I've seen them pulled over other cars many time. Highway officers never walk stright to the car from their patrol car. When highway officers exiting from their patrol car. They always walk to rear of their patrol car and turn around the patrol car on the right of their patrol car and walk toward to right of the car. Basically for safety's sake. When exiting the patrol car they have to watch out for car approached to officer's direction and then walk on the right shoulder to distance themselves from the high speed moving vehicles.
Wow! I can really imagine the fear and also the disgust in this incident. Actually from both parties involved, i.e. the driver and the police officer!
So many comments. Several are made about having a card to produce to police indicating you are deaf. This may be a great idea, and I for one, support some type of ID such as this.
The most important place for this type of identification would naturally be a color band across the drivers license with the word/s "deaf/hearing impaired" inside the color band. This is the most sensible place for this type of notification. What if you were in an accident and found unconscious or some such thing like that. This could be a life saver for you some where down the road.
Now with that said, one warning I have about the use of a card or something like that to help a cop understand that you are a deaf/hearing impaired person.
Let's look at this typical example: A cop is pulling you over for a traffic stop or for any other reason, (who knows, your car may match the same description of a get-a-way car from a drive-by shooting). Now, imagine your concern to show the cop you are deaf so there will be an immediate understanding between you and the LEO (Law Enforcement Officer).
----Here is what I predict happening-----
Now imagine the LEO cautiously approaching a "routine car stop". The LEO is already really frustrated with you because he has been speaking on the loud speaker telling you to move your car to next ramp, or to move over closer to side of the road, or simply telling you to put your hands on the steering wheel so he can see what your hands are doing while he is walking up to your car. Imagine what will go through his mind when he can see you frantically digging around in the seat, the glove box, purse, rear jean pocket, or where ever. The first thing the LEO is going to think is: are you trying to pull a gun out??? Now imagine what is going to happen in the next few seconds, especially when the LEO is now screaming at the top of his lungs telling you to raise your hands and not to move. Now to make it even worse, you are ignoring his command/s. It is going to get really tense and possibly very ugly really quick! Remember, the cop wants to go home to his family at the end of the day too, he is not going to take chances especially in the times we live in now! Only with the good Lord"s Grace is this situation going to come out happy for everybody!
I was born a hearing child into a deaf world in Wichita, Kansas. Became a Firefighter and a Paramedic, I volunteered to be on call 24/7 for the 911 services and area hospitals for an interpreter for the deaf community. I initiated training classes with the area law enforcement agencies and firefighters directed toward dealing with the deaf world. One comment prevails from every class, they never imagined the expressions made with body movements, hand and facial gestures, just the same as they do vocally! There was about 12,000 deaf/hearing impaired people in the area when I retired in the mid 90's. What a great feeling that was for me to be able to help in so many ways! Since I retired, I have moved away from my home town but I still am very concerned for the deaffies!
My advise is simple to all deaffies. When in a situation like a car stop, please, please keep yourself calm and in control, keep your hands up on the steering wheel at all times until you make face to face contact with the cop! DO NOT try to reach for anything, or try to get out of the car reaching in your back pocket to provide your drivers licence or nothing like that. Always try to watch the rear view mirror for any signals from the cop possibly motioning you to move over further out of harm's way etc, etc...
I know first hand what it is like on both sides of the story. It may be a couple of tense moments between a cop and yourself until he has figured out you are deaf and you are not a person that may cause harm to him. Everyone, cop included, keep a cool head on your shoulders.
A cop can not approach any situation unprepared for the worst, and when it is not, then it has been a good day for all and life goes on!
Now, if you feel that your rights have been violated and abused by an LEO, by all means I urge you to make contact with the proper people/agencies to handle this.
All I ask is for everyone, cops included, to take a deep breath and consider all aspects of each situation.
Hello.. your explaination about the black always shoot at police.. that is not proper story..Don't point at black people. It is changed the law from now on.. Police will use right side will be more safe on passgner side, not driver seat side.. Most of time car hit police And will be police fly over .. aslo police will park at angle ,will not be straight park length.. Thanks for share.. I knew how you felt when u were unexcept to see other side where he did standed and kept talked with u.whoa,, Maybe you shd bring up the issue to police and education to police for deaf..
My son is deaf too.. Police handuffed him already before he tried tell him he is deaf .he can't speak with their handuff.Imaged and he were gunned him so closed to his head front..He could be dead one minute like u said..
Thanks for share story..
Oh my goodness! Yesterday I discussed your situation with a police officer (off duty), and she explained that no "spoken" response is considered an insubordinate. According to the police academy, the officer has justification for pointing his gun to anyone who does not answer "verbally." The police academy needs to include ASL (language and culture of the Deaf) in its curriculum ... not just an elective or "on your own" course. Deaf Awareness simply promotes a notion that some Deaf people can speak, meaning that those who cannot speak are something else.
I re-read all of your comments.. I agree with moranday's and Carl Schroeder's comments..
However in my hometown, we had 3 or 4 sign language teachers to the local firemen, and police... It worked great but much later as time passed by, these people who were taught sign language forgot!!!
Yes we do have several police officers here who have deaf relatives thru spouse's side but still in long run, it doesnt work!
That's why I recommend that NAD and all state association of deaf ask Congress and state legislature to enforce identification..
My deaf friend made a point which I am little stunned (I admit) "What if that person who steal my ID card as a deaf individual show to police officer?" That is true and sad!!
What is going on around us?!?!?!?!
I could understand your situation with police is not aware of your deafness, he walked to other side as right. Almost all polices usually go to your RIGHT side to prevert from getting hurt or hit by another car comes /pass by in the heavy highway. Unless the road is quiet, police would go to your LEFT side of Driver's. Just happened to you that night, that situation was a different reason for that police to walk on LEFT side and stand far from you and point his gun to you. That police must have some reasons in that area. I can see that you were so scary and could get shot if you had not reponse back to Police since you could not hear it, plus you are not aware of his stand position in a different direction. as I am glad that police did not give you a hard time except you got a ticket for speeding. Some states police did not treat deafies a good. I noticed police has a LACK of training to deal with deaf, handicap, or disability people has special admission by provide an interpreter or write down by communication like that.
All polices should learn more about deaf.
Thanks for sharing your story with all of us.
All police CANNOT OR NEVER shoot to unarm civil person . you know that!!!
Crazy fright. The dark ending, ouch. :)
HIS STORYTELLING IS FICTION AND FACT MIXED..........FROM MOVIE.
Hi, everyone I am Gail Marie a Special Education Major at Purdue University (Indiana). I am taking ASL 201 so am still rather new to understanding ASL. I thought I would share a few of my opinions.
I think a form of identification would be great. Yes, driver's license would be good. I wonder if a sticker one could place on the back of the license plate would be a good option. I realize that the sticker would only indicate that someone in the car could be deaf, so it would not be specific to a person, but if a cop saw the sticker on the license plate they would know it is a possibility that the person is deaf.
I also agree the police need to be better educated about deaf culture.
Yes police should never shoot an unarmed citizen but it is very hard for them to really know if someone is unarmed or not. As one stated if you go digging about in your car the cop is likely to think you are either getting a weapon of some sort, or hiding something you do not want them to see.
Oh and even though I am a hearing person when I get pulled over by a cop I get all stressed out too! Or if a cop is behind me while I am driving I get worried there have been times I will pull into a parking lot or a sub division etc just so the cop is no longer behind me. :)
Gail Marie
Hi I refer to Gail about the Deaf Sticker on back of their car. I wouldnt be doing that cause.One of my friend have a sticker Deaf on back of his license plate that will attract bad person that will fellow or who lived at the place where his car parked.So the robbery or burglar can enter his house because he is deaf.His things like tv,computer,and valuable things stolen.Police cant find who enter his house.Its good idea to put on back of driver lic. that fine.
Need to change the law enforment system for Deaf for a whole nation like United States. For handcuffing, should be front. No excuse to aim with gun to a front of person's head. Nonsense...period. What if a Deaf individual runs on the street, police has right to shoot him or her? The best for them to get education like Deaf 101. In California, city and highway polices cite many, many innocent drivers. Polices seek thriller for themselves.
I recommend someone's comment about sticker on Driver's license. So the police read and understand that driver is Deaf - not able to speak.
Have you heard of Washington, DC system for Deaf recently? One thing changed for Deaf, handcuffing at front - not back of the body.
In the future, a whole law enforement system need for Deaf across this nation.
Quite a scary moment! Yeah, you would be dead if you wait longer. Didn't realized that policemen coming to the driver's side can be really dangerous in Texas. That does tell us all Americans that we do need a stricter law about having guns.
I am thank for you spread the word..You should go court fight for your rights about speeding ticket. It is not safe anywhere with cop because not know a person who is deaf out there. They need better tech. for a car lic to show in cop's file that that car is deaf person. so would be help the police out there. stuck is rent car not unable to show it. Thanks for story!
Just wondering if the driver's license indicate "Deaf" and you lose your driver license if that will not be a greater danger now that someone knows your address and you are deaf. Also some stores require for you to show driver license and they can see that you are deaf and your address. Just wondering.
This is in response to--All police CANNOT OR NEVER shoot to unarm civil person . you know that!!!
JUST SO YOU KNOW.........
Police in Las Vegas,NV, can and will shoot, with or without threat if you run-you get shot, many many cases here of people getting shot in the back cuz they ran, they also have many cases of people being shot for not cooperating... so just be careful if you come to VEGAS. The police here in Vegas usually go to passenger side of car also and usually(but not always) they will have 1 or more officers just to pull over 1 car with 1 person in it so just to let you know so that you don't get "freaked-out" if youre in Vegas and you see more than 1 police car or if the police don't come to your car immediately they may be waiting for "back-up"
Hello, Everyone. I am a victim of police's checking on me daily whenever I go after struggling with security guards where I work within. Security guards are really messed up with me. They don't understand my behavior. So they have right to call the police after my work. They watch me. My neighors, drivers, store cashiers and etc has right to call the police relating to where I work. What if I do is careless in the outside, the police would aim with a gun toward me? I am sure that I am innocent. They still watch me. I need your help to find a way to remove the police's gun, pls. Or spread out to your friends to be together to tell lawyers in order to stay gun in the pistol or remove the gun. You know, gun is dangerous to shoot. Help! To solve the problem.
If it was me , I would call my lawyer and sue the pigs .
Hello,
Here in Indiana we do have a code on our drivers license on the front where it say restrictions ours would say B which means your deaf and its a requirment for all deaf to have mirrors on the passenger door. You must inform the license branch that you are deaf and they will put the code on for you at no charge. This will inform the police that you are deaf when they look up your record about you. Every time that i've been pulled over i tell them i'm deaf and if they didn't belive me i tell them look at my restriction code then they look at it and let me go.
That was scary incident. Yes, like you stated that everyone had different experience with police on the road.
I am from Georgia, (Metro Atlanta area). The police stopped me for speeding due to me not paying attention to my speed. Oop. I was on the way to work early morning but left an extra hour to stop by McDonald's to drive thru window for breakfast with me to work.
Anyway, the police car came behind me with light flashing. Did not know if siren was on due to me being deaf. Naturally, I was very nervous because of communication, it was still dark at early morning like 5am and fear of men due to numerous bad experiences with men during my childhood. Naturally I immediately turned inside my car lights on for the policeman to see me inside my car and my both hands on top of my steering wheel, that way the policeman could see my both hands on top of my steering wheel with inside lights on. That helped a lot and easier for the policeman and me being deaf. Of course, I already had my car door locked and window up all the way to wait for the policeman coming to my left side door with flashlight on to my face. We looked at each other eyes to eyes to confirm the eye contact, then I told him by using my hand gesture slow, "me can not hear" with my "deaf speech" to let the policeman to hear that I did not speak well obviously. Then I rolled my window down and kept my hands on window door all the time. He understood immediately and asked me if I could read lips. I told him by hand gesture, of course "little". He wrote notes to explain why, etc.... and checked my driver license and my car insurance. Then he was pointing his finger to me scolding at me like I was a bad girl. All I did was to nod my head. He told me that he was letting me go at this time but next time he would write me a ticket if he stopped me again.
I think it is good idea to turn your car inside lights on for them to see you and keep your hands on top of your steering wheel for them to see your hands all the time for the safety's sake between you and the policeperson. Be nice all the way from A to Z and it always work for the best outcome.
I am 60 years old and in all the years I have been driving, I have never had a bad experience when pulled over by the police except for the Maryland State Police who nasty to anyone! Not just deaf people! I find your story hard to believe. Like maybe you stopped and decided to really spice up your story and submit it.
I do not believe the person writing about the Vegas Police department shooting at anyone fleeing! A police officer can only shoot a fleeing suspect if they know for sure that suspect is a felon! A police officer is permitted to shoot if they are threatened in anyway way with a gun.
A lot of deafies make the traffic stop worse because they act like prima donnas because they feel they should be treated with kid gloves because they are deaf.
The best I heard in all the responses was the young lady driving early in the morning. She is a thinking driver! She did the right thing by puting on the interior lights!
And the dude who suggested suing the "Pigs," shouldn't be driving at all because you show have a temper and will only get yourself deeper in trouble!
I am air force wife that I married a hearing man, it happened to me as I drove while I was talking with my husband in asl, all of the sudden the police siren blared loud so I pulled over, the police came to me, yelled at me, get out of the car, he said are u drinking during the day..I said I am deaf, he said bullshit....my husband heard what he said, he got out of the car, issued his uniform badge to him, the police does not believe in my husband being in air force so my husband took his id and showed to the police, told him god damned this is my wife who is deaf so he had his hard guts and started using asl to me...the police dropped his jaw, so he refused to do it so he gave me the breather analyzer it is total zero, he acted puzzled...I patted on his shoulder....I said look what I am driving, how can I talk to my husband duh, he looked at me so hard....I told him I cannot write or use speech with my husband so I can use asl period, so another sheriff luckily stopped and asked the police what is up. The police told the sheriff what is up. The sheriff laughed so hard and told the police to butt out, his son is deaf, he knows how the deaf driver sometimes weave while they talk with hearing people....the police become red and told me to go..as he was angry,,,,he is money thirsty moron....so I filed the complaint against the police deparment for not believing deaf people....so I got J88 drivers license....from now on the police finds out that I am deaf, they sometimes get frustrated with J88 so they let me go...god damn....police needs to be mellow for while as firm....
I am a police officer in Florida and I learned ASL about ten years ago. Due to this, I feel I have a better understanding of what deaf people go through, but admittedly, I don't know what it is like.
There is, and always will be, more learning and understanding that needs to happen on both sides; within the deaf community and within the law enforcement community. Most officers are decent people and are patient enough to try to understand and believe when someone says that they are deaf. And I agree that there are some that are ignorant fools.
A couple other people who posted gave some really good advise. Anybody that gets pulled over, deaf or hearing, needs to first stay calm. If at night, turn on your interior light. Keep your hands visible, NEVER go digging around for anything before you meet the officer. After the officer has approached and started communicating with you, then you can explain that you are deaf or hard of hearing.
But also be aware that if the officer had been trying to stop you for a while and you did not notice until late, that officer will probably be a bit upset. We do often have people failing to stop because they are drunk, have warrants, are busy trying to hide drugs or weapons. These are what most of us usually encounter, not deaf people. Therefore, this is what is on the top of our minds because we do want to go home to our families and loved ones. Depending on the circumstances, an officer may have his gun pulled out until he/she has figured out what the issue is. Then, the officer will need to try to rid themselves of the adrenalin they are currently full of and calm down. So, patience on both sides goes a long way.
I think that having some type of notice on a person's license, or even their computerized license record instead of the actual license is a good idea. Having some type of sticker on the back of the car is a bad idea. I believe that would make a person a target for others who are looking to make a person a victim.
Keep up the talking to each other, good ideas and advise usually make their way to the top.
I agree about the sticker on back of driver's license to show that you are deaf so there won't be any confusion between you and the cop. I don't know where to petition for that to pass the law to have the sticker back of the driver's licensce but I think something needs to be done between the deaf person and the cop.
I cannot believe that the police would be on the other side of the vechile.. Thats pretty damn scary..I am canadian.. I know if you have no weapon they are not to pull their guns out unless very necessary to do so. I agree with some people here in the comment.. we need a card to pove we are deaf.
That would be one less hassle..
To a Florida police officer,
I disagree a litle with you about a gun's pulling out when a police officer feels stresses out or having emotional feeling. To control under cirumstance, should stay gun in until notice any sign of driver's carrying. I notice police officers lose their control if driver doesn't respond in long minutes and grow impatient and fear that driver may have gun or not. When driver's head turns to the police officer later, she or he is very scared of a gun's point. He or she tells "DEAF". Turn into a nightmare. WASTE their time.
Communication is a key. I suggest when the police get out of car, the police walk toward the driver's car and talk to. Keep talking until noticing any sign of driver's head moving. Obviously, she or he is Deaf. No gun pulls out during walking and approaching, please. Be careful with various cultural, diversity of people.
Demanding for improving the law enforcment system for the Deaf people/drivers in the near future.
For their safe lives.
Thanks.
A friend of mine in Arkansas whom I went to visit with during one of my summer vacation. She told me a brief statement that a cop stopped her for a driving violation that she had done. She told the cop with a gesture telling that she is deaf. The cop walked to the back of her car to check her car license tag, and gave her a note to take it to the motor vehicle department to get a handicapped license tag to replace the regular license tag immediately. She went and got the handicapped license tag for her protection and this helps a cop to identify the driver and not to hurt when approaching to check the driver.
I think that having a handicapped license tag should benefit all deaf drivers. This also will cops to identify that a driver is handicapped before approaching to the driver’s side window without using the weapon pointing at driver or not to beat the deaf driver like what was happening to Doug Bahl who was beat by cops in Minnesota.
NO NO NO!
No stickers or special license plates!
Why is the "responsibility" being placed on the Deaf person in the first place? WHYYYYY
Why not the COPS who are supposed to deal with a variety of people? Not all hearing people are the same! Immigrants, tourists, different social classes, ages and so on and so on. Should a immigrant have a sticker on their license or plate?
That cop who "ordered" the deaf lady to get a handicapped plate was an IDIOT who screwed with a CITIZEN.
I find it interesting that the cops call for "patience". Re-read the messages. Why the heck did the cops continue to act like two year olds upon finding out the person was deaf? Slamming on the car roof? Yelling? Oh believe me there are many stories of horrible cops who stopped deaf people after a simple and clean stops. Frustration cannot be accounted for there- I'm talking about immediate noticing the cop, immediate pulling over, low traffic etc. Yet so many cops snot or say things like "You know what? I personally believe you deaf people shouldn't be driving at all."
COPS have PROBLEMS too. Stop putting the focus heavily on the deaf person. It's very good to instruct ALL drivers how to handle themselves upon being pulled over. BUT the fact remains nasty cop encounters HAPPEN.
It's a fact that for a lot of deaf people, being stopped by or even being close to cops is stressful. Very sad.
Hi, I agree that most of the hearing world (including police) are unaware of our communication needs. My name is Mike Houston (there goes my anonymous name, huh? smile) and I am Deaf Link's National Liaison, a VRI company in San Antonio, that offers businesses (such as SAPD) with 24/7 access to our ASL terps, without any pre-scheduling required. They have been using our services for 3 years now and nearly all of police staff are aware of deaf needs and are using technology to help ease the communication barriers as well as educate them about us...it has also educated some deaf who were previously unaware of what exactly the police can and can't do for them. SAPD has also installed a VRI camera in San Antonio Airport, offering deaf travelers with ASL-based access, if requested. SAT is the first airport to offer ASL access for deaf (not talking about VRS access; that's just a phone, which cannot provide one-on-one access)I encourage anyone interested in learning how ASL can and is being offered to deaf from law enforcement agencies as well as many other entities to contact me at mikeh@deaflink.com. I have links I can share that will give y'all an eye-opener! It is an aweseome time to be deaf, more so today than at anytime in our history! ASL based communication is readily available for all deaf and businesses; sadly, not enough deaf are aware of this access. Just as a teaser, I'm including a link to the Texas GDEM website (TX Emergency Management) that now offers ASL on-line to educate those deaf who rely more on ASL and not so much on English; at least those who are ASL dependent now have resources available to them. There is a solution to the barrier between the deaf and hearing, which I believe will revolutionize how deaf do business in the very near future!! Hope all is well with each and everyone of you who reads this message. Here's the link:
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/dem/pages/index.htm
To see SAPD using our services: check this link out...
www.DeafLink.com/SAPD.wmv
If you want more info, please visit our website: www.deaflink.com
Have a great day and keep sharing your stories!! It'll be "history" someday soon! God bless.
Police will not shoot you for no reason at all... I work at police dept and Police do not know who they are dealing with daily... so all I was told if we get pull over by police is that always put your hands on the steering wheel to let them see your hands and look at rear view mirror to see where they are heading to your side or the passenger side.. Do not blame all this on the officers as they do not know if you are deaf or yet, a criminal...
I live in Florida, and we have neighborhoods with deaf children, in which there are posted street signs on the block alerting drivers to that fact, so they can be extra careful and not to rely on the horn to get someone's attention.
I am unsure how uncomfortable it would make you to "advertise" on your vehicle that you are a deaf motorist (concerns of public stigma, personal safety, etc.), however in the interest of personal safety while driving (many more people are injured and die in vehicle accidents than in burglaries and muggings) and avoidance of misunderstanding (with ignorant cops and other drivers) wouldn't it be worth it to have that official "DEAF MOTORIST" decal? If it seems too blatant, perhaps a pictogram decal with an approved (official) deaf motorist logo would be more acceptable? I have read the concerns here about being targeted by criminals, however I think they are overblown: My elderly parents have used handicapped parking hang tags for years (most people don't even bother to remove it while driving around) and they were never victimized because of it, so I think the benefits in avoiding dangerous situations on the road would outweigh the risks associated with letting the general public know you are deaf (which a crook could casually observe and deduce while you are out and about, anyway, sticker or no).
The promotion of conscientious driving is one of my pet causes, so forgive me for intruding as a hearing person in a driving issue I wouldn't know much about (and years late, as well).
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